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Here's the shot of the old woman summoning the wolves (dogs?) that never made it into any existing print of VAMPYR.

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Wich2 wrote:A lot of cartoonists have done that through the years too, Brian (Bob Kane, are you out there?)Sure, but this is different and not common knowledge.Artists get billions of dollars for...

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>Artists get billions of dollars for "their work" and are celebrated for it on a much higher level than any cartoonist. I hope you can see the difference in scale here.< Kouk, a little bit - but...

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I see a huge difference since many collectors are not aware their expensive Art was not painted by the actual painter celebrated as a game changer in the High End Art World. (Warhol)I'm sure everyone...

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>Isn't all great Art "experimental"?< Kouk, with respect, I don't think so. DaVinci with MONA LISA, Gershwin with RHAPSODY IN BLUE, Welles with CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT, etc., are Masters in tight...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Wich2 wrote:>Isn't all great Art "experimental"?< Kouk, with respect, I don't think so. DaVinci with MONA LISA, Gershwin with RHAPSODY IN BLUE, Welles with CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT, etc., are Masters...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Wich2 wrote:>Isn't all great Art "experimental"?< Kouk, with respect, I don't think so. DaVinci with MONA LISA, Gershwin with RHAPSODY IN BLUE, Welles with CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT, etc., are Masters...

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I guess I could see some argument for all art being experimental in that it requires that the artist fabricate an item, concept or aesthetic which doesn't yet exist. That always requires some element...

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I know that in the low to no budget realm that I've worked in no film I've ever shot or worked on went as planned. There are always compromises to be made which means adjustments can extend all the...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

As an artist, I like to think I am in total control of what I am creating. From the initial concept, to the preliminary sketch, to the final result, none of it is left to chance. It is adjusted,...

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In VAMPYR, it becomes difficult to assess how much of the end result can be attributed to Dreyer's "control" since cinema is a collaborative effort. DaVinci and Gershwin did not depend on others to...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Casey62 wrote:As an artist, I like to think I am in total control of what I am creating. From the initial concept, to the preliminary sketch, to the final result, none of it is left to chance. It is...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

>experimenting goes along with pioneering< Understood, Brian. And yes, I think Dreyer was firmly in control here - the word "Master" exists for a reason. >DaVinci and Gershwin did not depend...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Casey62 wrote:In VAMPYR, it becomes difficult to assess how much of the end result can be attributed to Dreyer's "control" since cinema is a collaborative effort. DaVinci and Gershwin did not depend...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

My point is you can have a bit of both. It's not always experimental. The finished product can be more or less the vision of one artist or several. Yes, DaVinci had help on some projects. But to what...

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Casey62 wrote:Influences and education are but mere stepping stones to an artist's achieving individuality.Not for me, it's never been so linear as time moves on. I find myself researching and finding...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Casey62 wrote:As an artist, I like to think I am in total control of what I am creating. From the initial concept, to the preliminary sketch, to the final result, none of it is left to chance. It is...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Film is a different medium from music or fine art, and not just for being a more collaborative effort. There's just so much more than can go wrong and I outlined only a few of those possibilities...

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

I have to admit that I use words quite loosely if I see a crack.I'm basically saying nothing is black and white when I do this.

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Re: VAMPYR: masterpiece of horror or pretentious and overrated?

Koukol 5 wrote:Casey62 wrote:As an artist, I like to think I am in total control of what I am creating. From the initial concept, to the preliminary sketch, to the final result, none of it is left to...

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